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New Post 6/12/2008 11:04 AM
User is offline Tony Markos
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Re: Comparison between a Project Manager and a Business Analyst 

From what I have seen, the individual who has the strongest understanding of the "As-Is" is the one who should be setting due dates.   I have never been exposed to a PM who came anywhere close to fitting this bill.  

Can anyone explain to me what inputs a PM uses in deciding due dates\schedules?  

Tony

 
New Post 6/13/2008 9:36 PM
User is offline Craig Brown
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Tony

How does an undertanding fo the current state help you in estimating a project schedule?

 
New Post 6/16/2008 6:00 AM
User is offline Tony Markos
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Re: Comparison between a Project Manager and a Business Analyst 

Craig:

The way I understand your question is that it is kind of like asking why create a Context diagram (which is just a very high-level as-is).   Doesn't one need to know the extent of a project before estimating the time required for a project?   (Actually, for estimating, the context diagram needs to be decomposed to get higher grainularity for estimating.)

Also, the way I learned it, the task at hand - especially for a BA - is not just to lead in automating, but to lead in simplifying, integrating, and then automating.  If it is, then, we simplify the as-is and determine a way how to integrate the ss-Is.  And the only way to estimate on these to things is to know the extent of the as-is.

Tony

 
New Post 6/17/2008 4:34 AM
User is offline Craig Brown
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Okay Tony

I see your point.  you are coming from a very holistic approach (six sigma maybe?) where you are first identifying then addressing a business problem.  From this angle you don't know the scope before you start.  (And I think it's a very intelligent framework you have there; simplify, integrate, automate.)

However, in many other projects the scope is pretty well defined before you get there.  Examples;

  • Upgrade our HR system as it is now unsupported, we need to go from version 1.0 to version 6.4
  • Create a web sales channel for us, but keep the spend small because we aren't sure of the channel's value
  • Implement an IVR solution for our 30 seat call centre, we support 6 products for 2 clients

In these instances there is little scope for phasing the project into simplification, integration and then automation.  Again, I really like that famework, but think it is a bit more strategic than most projects have the opportunity to be.  (I do however see this as a growing part of the world's project portfolio.)

 

 

 
New Post 6/17/2008 8:25 AM
User is offline Tony Markos
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Re: Comparison between a Project Manager and a Business Analyst 

Craig:

I must admit:  I have been around for some time and I can not recall a project where there was not a significant need for the BA to scope things out .   Frankly, I have often wondered if projects such as you mention exist.   Maybe I have the word "complexity" tatooed on my forhead and don't know it - causing me to always end up on such projects?  

Wondering,

Tony

 
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